Those 2 unidentified children found in Wayne County NY in 1980 along the shores of Lake Ontario. Gender not determined and insufficient DNA for profiling. What is their story?
In light of the recent news about a possible Oregon connection for Evans, we wish we knew more about where and how this female pelvic bone was discovered.
This woman (newly entered into NamUs) found in 1982 in Massachusetts. Too short to be Denise but I wonder if she could be the mother of Evans' daughter found in the barrel? Wonder what happened to her remains, could she be exhumed to retrieve DNA?
Wonder if the missing Oregon woman Kim Charleson could have crossed paths with Evans. She has a rather strong resemblance to the composite of his daughter. Hope Kim's DNA testing wraps up soon.
We are researching some of the queries we came across that particularly caught our attention as well as stories of missing people who don't appear in the databases of the missing. We'll be adding them to the page Looking for You.
Survey on the Identity of 'Bob Evans'
"Evans, meanwhile, is white with brown hair and blue eyes. He is between 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet 1 inch tall. At the time, Evans weighed approximately 170 pounds."
All those languages Evans seemed to be familiar with. One good place to acquire language skills is prison. You have exposure to people from a variety of backgrounds and you have more time on your hands than most people do. In prison, having language skills is also a valuable commodity. Perhaps his pre-1977 years involved a lengthy stay behind bars.
Thinking about Evans use of aliases and his likely glee in muddying the waters about who he was and where he came from. He told people that Lisa was the daughter of Denise "Laporte" which wasn't Denise's last name but Evans did steal an identity from La Porte TX. He told people he was born in Evanston WY which is unlikely but he used the surname "Evans" as an alias. What other games connect the names and the places? Was he really from Jensen, UT or Jensen Beach, FL, Kimball County NE or Gorman ND? And all those Curtises appearing in his names- one Curtis identity he stole- Curtis Mayo Kimball- but why use Curtis as a middle name in a different alias, Gordon Curtis Jensen, or with a different combination of names- Curtis Rollin Kimball? Perhaps he carried one name into the next, a proverbial trail of identity breadcrumbs so he could find his way back. Such a cagey man. Such a Mocker Man.
Could this be an Evans victim?
Or this one?
Perhaps too early to be a victim of Evans but...
Where on the east coast? Who was the enticer?
Not likely this guy is Evans, but very sketchy story (2 articles)
Was this child's parents identified? Found someone looking for an 18 month old niece she thought had been abandoned in a bus terminal. The age and date fit this incident so I have reached out to the aunt.
This little girl looks a lot older than 10 months to me
Did this charmer ever get caught?
THEORIES ABOUT EVANS
These are simply theories listed here. We are soon likely to learn who Evans was and more about his history and thus it is an unprecedented opportunity to suggest theories that can later be compared against facts. This process will allow us to assess the validity of our reasoning on various points and better inform our research going forward.
Could he be the Robert Evans living in 1970 at 50 Central Street West in Manchester NH which is the address of the Manchester Hotel?
Evans allegedly wrote in a note that he sent with the people he gave Lisa to that he had been afraid that she was going to be born with Down Syndrome because her mother was an older woman. Per newspaper accounts, this note stated that Evans planned to bury her "next to an ant hill" if the baby didn't have the normal amount of fingers and toes when she was born. Could Evans have killed his own daughter because she had a disability and seen Denise's daughter as the healthy replacement for his own? Was Elizabeth the older mother (closer in age to Evans himself) and is maternal age why he was so resistant to Eunsoon Jun having children?
Evans was arrested twice in one year for theft of electricity. Could that be because he had bodies stored and he couldn't risk losing power to his freezer? Perhaps the dismemberment was necessary for the freezer and not so much for the barrels.
Gruenheid (the CA detective who arrested him and who was herself from the east coast) commented on his accent and asked him if he were from the east coast, a question that caused him to lose his composure for a moment. Was he from the east coast and if so, the northeast or the southeast?
Did he have to have an unofficial wedding with Eunsoon because he was already married in the state of California with no divorce on record?
Most of his "autobiographical" information was false and designed to obscure his identity. But was the Norwegian/Danish descriptor true and included because he was proud of it?
What better place for a pedophile on the hunt to work at than at Disney Land? We know Evans was in the Anaheim area, maybe that's where he worked as an electrician when in Orange County.
Did Evans have a deep-seated fear of abandonment? Perhaps a mother who left when he was little, causing him to develop a hatred of women and an insecure sense of self. Describing himself to police as a "non-person" and detached from any one name, did he kill partners before they could leave him too?
Could the two oldest Allenstown victims be sisters with the youngest victim being the child of the oldest? Perhaps Evans met them at the campground in the state park.
Was the name Robert Evans close to his real name as he hadn't killed anyone yet but was avoiding lesser crimes like child molestation or child support payments? Was the Waumbec Mill the peak of his professional life and he hadn't slid into the disheveled drifter he would later become?
Evans always wore a moustache and had a closed mouth smile. Could he have been self-conscious about having an overbite? (The overbite inherited by his daughter).
Maybe he was a New England boy, never served in the Navy but had a father who did and a mother or sister with 'Elizabeth' in her name. He faked his own death to shake off the life he no longer wanted to be connected to. Maybe a drowning death with no body found, one of the easier 'deaths' to stage. And no one files a missing persons report because everyone believes he is dead.
A "skilled electrician and mechanic" with odd interpersonal traits, some have wondered if today he would have been diagnosed on the spectrum. Perhaps he gravitated toward children (in the beginning) because he tended to alienate adults and this eventually took him dark and terrible places. And the dismembering of his victims wasn't done for anything but practical disposal because that was what seemed logical in his cold and mathematical mind after he had taken care of "the problems." However, the horror of his deeds compelled him to try to drink away the demons and he gave up Lisa in one rare moment of empathy because he knew what he was capable of.
Maybe he had father issues, couldn't live up to the successes of a man who had a distinguished military career so padded his own story with grandiose claims. In one article, Eunsoon Jun's cousin is quoted as saying, "He said he owned lots of property, that he was a self-made millionaire, that he used to be a colonel in the Army and that he worked for the CIA and if he wanted to disappear, he could disappear just like that." Well, one part he didn't have to invent, he definitely was good at disappearing and if he told other people from his past that he was in the CIA, it helped to explain the secrecy surrounding him.
If news articles are correct and Eunsoon Jun (age 45) and Evans were experiencing conflict around having children, one wonders if he was opposed to adopting because he knew his aliases would unravel during the background check part of the process.
THOUGHTS ON VICTIMS
We submitted NamUs MP # 11096 Deborah Tomlinson out of Oregon as a possible match for the Allenstown woman (we know Tomlinson has DNA in the system but...)
Or if the woman in the barrel in Allenstown could be this woman missing out of Quebec?
Could the unidentified dead woman found in Connecticut in 1975 wrapped in a tarp and bound with electrical cord be another victim of Evans? Or the female UID found in NYC in 1991 who was found bound with electrical cords? Or the female UID found in 1975 in CA wrapped in a brown blanket and tied with an electrical cord? Or the female UID found in 1996 in New Mexico wrapped in six plastic bags tied with electrical wire?
That little girl of his that wound up in a barrel in NH. What if he didn't leave her mother dead in his travels but abducted his daughter in a story like that of Melissa Suzanne Highsmith? We know he answered an ad for a handyman, perhaps he answered one for a babysitter? (And as he answered ads, did he also run ads for his handyman services?)
Could Evans be connected to these cases?
The Moynihan murders
2015 Moynihan exhumation
The death of Janet Gail Carter whose nude body was found inside garbage bags in Great Smoky Mountains National Park in 1973 and whose 3 year old daughter Christina Lynn Carter was never been found. Maybe Evans was camping in the park when he met them.
About Janet and Christina
The unsolved murder of Kathleen O'Gorman
And apparently the death of this Kathleen was similar to that of Kathleen Ann Randall whose body was found in Nashua, NH. Below is an excerpt from a June 3, 1973 Boston Herald article
The Kathleen murders seem more in keeping with a Robert Breest type slayer but who knows what Bob Evans did for kicks in his early years? Strangely enough, Breest, like Evans spent time in tiny Allenstown NH.
Always wondered about Robert Eugene Whitacre whose wife Carmel Sue was killed in NH and her body wasn't found for a decade or so. I'd like to see a picture of this guy even though he apparently died in 2003 in San Benito CA. A military guy, wouldn't take a lie detector test re. Carmel's disappearance and put their baby son up for adoption in CA against the wishes of the baby's maternal grandparents. Exceedingly cold man.
Thomas Camille Patterson. It would be good to know more about this guy and his father. Wonder what the research shows on the percentages of killers who dismember their victims also being child molesters? Is there a linkage in the pathology?
I couldn't find a follow-up story about this child and wonder if she was eventually claimed? (click on story to enlarge)
Authorities have the tiny town of Felton CA in Santa Cruz county on their map of confirmed locations of Evans (1985) with an "unknown alias." The town is not mentioned in their timeline handouts however. What happened in Felton and how were they able to connect it to Evans?
In looking at where both isotope maps overlap and thinking about Evans claim to be Norwegian, would it make sense to target the Berlin NH area with stories about Evans? Per the Berlin and Coos County Historical Society, many residents of the area are the descendants of Norwegian immigrants.
For how many years can touch DNA be recovered from a material such as paper? Since authorities have at least one piece of Evans' writing, can it be tested for this?
Wonder if the Norwegian psychic detective will weigh in again in light of the new information?
And does NAMUS have a page on Bob Evans in the unidentified section? (Someone searching for him from his past might recognize his pictures or aliases)
And what do you FBI criminal profilers have to say about Evans? You came to the party 35 years late but hey, you're here now and the taxpayers support your efforts. Four dead girls in barrels weren't that compelling but one creepy serial killer gets the big guns fired up. Could you weigh in on this publicly or do you just profile folks once you already know their histories? How about going out on a professional limb before any more elderly folks die not knowing what happened to their children or grandchildren? Your assessment could potentially ring a bell that brings in the tip that breaks the rest of this case (and God knows how many others) wide open.